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Founder or thinker

How should the United States negotiate peace with Great Britain?

John Jay Founder or thinker

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John Jay

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John Jay believed the United States should negotiate peace with Great Britain only on terms of equality and independence, ensuring Britain treats the U.S. as a sovereign nation. He emphasized practical independence over symbolic gestures but also valued formal recognition. Confidence in this position is moderate, based on his writings and actions during the Revolutionary War and early republic.

  • undated “One nation can treat with another nation only on terms of equality, and it cannot be expected that we should be the first and only servants of Congress who would admit doubts of their independence.”
  • undated “That the interest of Great Britain, as well as that of the Minister, would be advanced by it; for, as every idea of conquest had become absurd, nothing remained for Britain to do, but to make friends of those whom she could not subdue; that the way to do this was by leaving us nothing to complain of, either in the negotiation or in the treaty of peace, and by liberally yielding every point essential to the interests and happiness of America; the first of which points was, that of treating with us on an equal footing.”
  • undated “I told the Count, that a declaration of our independence was in my opinion a matter of very little consequence; that I did not consider our independence as requiring any aid or validity from British acts; and provided that nation treated us as she treated other nations, viz., on a footing of equality, it was all that I desired.”

Extrapolation: Jay's principles on equality and independence would guide modern negotiations, prioritizing sovereignty and rejecting unilateral demands.

OCR: 2 cited passage(s) are machine-read (OCR) text of old printings; quotations reproduce the stored OCR text, misreadings included.

The full record: ledger, contrary evidence, reasoning, sources

OCR: 2 cited passage(s) are machine-read (OCR) text of old printings; quotations reproduce the stored OCR text, misreadings included.

1. WHAT HE SAID (the record)

Record ledger

  • ACTION (1779-09-29): John Jay was appointed by Congress to negotiate Treaties of Alliance, Amity and Commerce with Spain, and he accepted the appointment. This shows that the United States was delegating Jay to negotiate peace and alliances with foreign powers, including Spain, as part of its broader diplomatic strategy. "Congress have been pleased to appoint me with Mr. Carmichael for my Secretary to negotiate Treaties of Alliance, Amity and Commerce with Spain."
  • BELIEF (1781-09-20): John Jay believed that the United States should not insist on formal acknowledgment of independence from Britain, as it might prolong the war and benefit France. He argued that the United States should focus on securing practical independence rather than being delayed by verbal disputes.
  • ACTION (1781-09-20): John Jay wrote to the President of Congress on September 20, 1781, about the instructions given to the minister for negotiations with Great Britain. The passage shows that Congress required Great Britain to treat the United States as a sovereign and independent nation and insisted that the Mississippi be the western boundary. It also shows that Congress passed a resolution declaring any British interference with the fisheries as a cause for war. "These instructions required that Great Britain should treat with the United States as a sovereign and independent nation, and they insisted that the Mississippi should be the western boundary."
  • BELIEF (undated): John Jay believed that the United States should insist on having its independence acknowledged before entering into a treaty with Great Britain. He argued that independence did not require validation from British acts and that the U.S. should be treated as an equal nation. (key quote above)
  • BELIEF (undated): John Jay believed that the United States should negotiate peace with Great Britain only on terms of equality and independence, and that acknowledging independence after the conclusion of a treaty would be improper and inconsistent with national honor. (key quote above)
  • BELIEF (undated): John Jay believed that Great Britain should treat the United States on an equal footing in negotiations and peace treaties, as this would advance British interests and foster confidence. He also believed that France's interest was to delay the acknowledgment of American independence until the conclusion of a general peace. (key quote above)
  • ACTION (undated): Congress, on 18 July 1778, resolved not to answer the British Commissioners' letter because the King of Great Britain had not demonstrated a sincere disposition for peace by acknowledging the independence of the United States or withdrawing his fleets and armies. This shows that the United States should negotiate peace only after explicit acknowledgment of independence or withdrawal of British forces. "resolved, that no answer be given to the letter of the 11th instant from the British Commissioners."
  • ACTION (undated): On September 5, 1776, Congress resolved (as reported by John Jay) that a committee be sent to Lord Howe to inquire about his authority to propose peace, but only on terms consistent with the United States' status as free and independent states. The passage shows that the United States should negotiate peace only through official representatives and only on terms consistent with their independence. "Congress resolved, 'That General Sullivan be requested to inform Lord Howe that this Congress, being the representatives of the free and independent States of America, cannot with propriety send any of its members to confer with his Lordship in their private characters, but that ever desirous of establishing peace on reasonable terms, they will send a committee of their body to know whether he has any authority to treat with persons authorized by them for that purpose in behalf of America, and what that authority is; and to hear such propositions as he shall think fit to make respecting the same;"
  • BELIEF (1794-11-19): John Jay believed that the United States should negotiate peace with Great Britain by showing 'delicacy and propriety' in conduct and by persevering with 'patience and temper' in a 'dry, perplexing business.' He also believed that further concessions from Great Britain were unlikely. "It is expedient that the ratification should not be unnecessarily delayed... We have industriously united our efforts to remove difficulties, and few men would have persevered in such a dry, perplexing business, with so much patience and temper as he has done."
  • ACTION (1795-08-31): George Washington requested John Jay to aid in preparing points for further friendly negotiations on the West India trade with Great Britain, as recommended by the Senate and in line with the concluding part of the treaty signed by Jay and Lord Grenville. This shows Washington sought Jay's assistance to negotiate trade terms as part of broader peace efforts with Great Britain. "The object of this letter is to pray you to aid me with hints relative to those points which you conceive to be fit subjects for the further friendly negotiations on the West India trade with Great Britain, agreeably to the recommendation of the Senate; and which appear to have been in contemplation by the concluding part of the treaty signed by yourself and Lord Grenville."

What cuts against it

  • ACTION (undated): Congress resolved not to answer British Commissioners' letter unless Britain acknowledged U.S. independence or withdrew forces. "resolved, that no answer be given to the letter of the 11th instant from the British Commissioners."
  • BELIEF (undated): Jay believed the U.S. should insist on independence being acknowledged before a treaty. "I did not consider our independence as requiring any aid or validity from British acts."

2. HOW IT APPLIES (reasoning; inference is marked)

1. Jay believed the U.S. should negotiate peace with Britain only on terms of equality and independence. "One nation can treat with another nation only on terms of equality."

2. He argued that Britain should treat the U.S. as a sovereign nation, not as a dependent. "The way to do this was by leaving us nothing to complain of, either in the negotiation or in the treaty of peace."

3. Jay believed that acknowledging independence after the treaty would be improper and inconsistent with national honor. "It cannot be expected that we should be the first and only servants of Congress who would admit doubts of their independence."

4. Congress required Britain to treat the U.S. as an independent nation and insisted on the Mississippi as the western boundary. "These instructions required that Great Britain should treat with the United States as a sovereign and independent nation."

5. Jay also believed that Britain should not dictate terms to the U.S. as the price of peace. "To dictate such propositions, and to tell us that we must accede to them as the price of peace, is to assume a language rarely used unless by the victorious to the vanquished."

3. HIS TAKE

Record coverage: PARTIAL

The record is silent on the exact wording of modern treaties or the specific geopolitical context of today's negotiations with Britain. However, Jay's principles on equality, independence, and sovereignty can be applied to modern negotiations.

Extrapolation: Jay would likely advocate for the U.S. to negotiate peace with Britain only on terms of equality and independence, ensuring that the U.S. is treated as a sovereign nation and that any treaty does not undermine American sovereignty or dictate terms unilaterally.

Competing readings: Jay's belief in practical independence (2) suggests he might prioritize securing tangible benefits over symbolic gestures. However, his insistence on explicit acknowledgment of independence (4) shows he also valued formal recognition.

Confidence: Moderate. The record provides clear principles but not direct modern analogs. The quality of sources is mixed, with some OCR errors and editorial notes.

Sources cited (click to read the passage)
  1. Letters of Delegates to Congress, vol. 13 (documents dated Aug 1778 to Sep 1779): 122 documents (Paul H. Smith et al. (eds.), Letters of Delegates to Congress, 1774-1789, 26 vols., Librar). Document: John Jay to George Clinton. Date: 1779-09-29. Source type: modern scholarly transcription. Passage id: jay/letters-of-delegates-vol13/0121.00
  2. OCR text
    The Life of John Jay, with Selections from his Correspondence, vol. 1 (William Jay, The Life of John Jay, 2 vols., J. & J. Harper, 1833). Document: " TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.. Date: 1781-09-20. Source type: old edited collection (OCR text). Passage id: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit01jaywuoft/0019.03
  3. OCR text
    The Life of John Jay, with Selections from his Correspondence, vol. 1 (William Jay, The Life of John Jay, 2 vols., J. & J. Harper, 1833). Document: " TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.. Date: 1781-09-20. Source type: old edited collection (OCR text). Passage id: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit01jaywuoft/0019.04
  4. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), pp. 378-379. Document: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782). Date: undated. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-2-1781-1782/0220.05. Variants: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0209.06, jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-2-1781-1782/0220.06
  5. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), p. 383. Document: JAY TO RICHARD OSWALD.. Date: undated. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-2-1781-1782/0223.00. Variants: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0209.09
  6. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), p. 405. Document: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782). Date: undated. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-2-1781-1782/0235.02. Variants: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0210.13, jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0210.14, jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-2-1781-1782/0235.03
  7. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), pp. 419-420. Document: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782). Date: undated. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-2-1781-1782/0237.07
  8. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), pp. 416-417. Document: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 2 (1781-1782). Date: undated. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-2-1781-1782/0237.05
  9. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 4 (1794-1826) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), p. 133. Document: JAY TO OLIVER ELLSWORTH.. Date: 1794-11-19. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-4-1794-1826/0064.00. Variants: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0128.00
  10. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 4 (1794-1826) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), p. 188. Document: PRESIDENT WASHINGTON TO JAY. [PRIVATE.]. Date: 1795-08-31. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-4-1794-1826/0090.00. Variants: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0137.00, jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0137.01, jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-4-1794-1826/0084.00
  11. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 4 vols.: The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, vol. 4 (1794-1826) (Henry P. Johnston (editor)), p. 379. Document: JAY TO TIMOTHY PICKERING.. Date: 1814-11-01. Source type: old edited collection. Passage id: jay/johnston-the-correspondence-and-public-papers-of-john-vol-4-1794-1826/0197.00. Variants: jay/lifeofjohnjaywit02jaywuoft/0185.04

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